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22 comments:
E Team says:
If the P4s and NiteCreamers finish with identical records, the points tiebreaker will determine which team gets the No. 1 seed in the playoffs.
The question is, do the two teams split the money for the regular season title? I personally think they should. The argument would be that the No. 1 seed is the prize provided by the points advantage, while the money gets shared because the two teams have essentially split the title based on won-loss record.
This is a procedural matter that should be settled by a league-wide vote, and we probably need to do it immediately. I don't expect the 'Slinger or the Macs to participate, and Stacy isn't likely to chime in either, so we've got a seven-man quorum.
I hereby vote in favor of the points tiebreaker determining seeding with a split pot for a co-championship. Please vote yea or nay. Comments are of course welcome, but If there's no objection, we'll say that the vote deadline is 4 PM Monday.
Please proceed.
Sounds like a reasonable solution.
I vote Yea.
Invaders think whoever wins title no matter how they do it should get more money-I vote no and suggest perhaps a split of 75%/25% as a compromise.I like Eric's use of Nez Pierce Chief Joseph in prior post-Invaders"will fight no more forever"after being obstinate on the money vote(well this season anyway)I once drew short straw to walk miles for water (couldn't drink out of Tule Lake) on a high desert summer '71 hippie camping trip along the Calif/Oregon border to a place called "Camby's Cross"(not Marcus)where the forces under Camby were held off by Chief Joseph briefly allowing his people to flee north to Klamath river country.There was no water at Camby's Cross just a plaque and lots of rocks.
Ticket says
Head to head next tie breaker after points determines top seed, in my book. Why not use that for best record tiebreaker? Just go to last time NC & P4 met, and subtract seven matches to determine other times teams faced off. (Reverse that for second to last sked cycle thanks to dick-tator.)
And about this E-Team quote I must apologize for infecting him with my inadequacies at fantasy math.
"I don't expect the 'Slinger or the Macs to participate, and Stacy isn't likely to chime in either, so we've got a seven-man quorum."
That leaves five voters. I'll say yay if head to head doesn't matter to anyone else.
E Team says:
I meant a five-man quorum. My bad.
Mark, I just think it would be brutal for a guy tied for best record to walk away without the No. 1 seed or any money.
Eric-you still have the German vote to be counted.Brutal perhaps but I think there should be one winner.Like I suggested,just divide less than 50/50(even 60-40?) as a compromise.What's been tiebreaker rules in the past?. you guys have been playing for 14 years and you're trying to tell me this hasn't happened before?
Invaders say if P4 is last vote to be counted isn't it only right they should make the call? if Germans say yes it's moot because the 2 teams involved agree...What if Hans/Franz can't agree?we vote again??
E Team says:
Mark, we've never had a tie for best record in the regular season.
Right now, it kind of looks like three votes out of five in favor of splitting the pot. If it actually happens, we obviously can count on Dave and the Germans to vote in their best interests, so that leaves you, me and Tom as a kind of star chamber to decide the matter, which I think is legitimate, since none of us is directly involved in the issue.
We'll see how it plays out.
Dave- there's a problem w/yahoo brackets-missouri and new mexico games seem to be in wrong box sending missouri to wrong second game and making it impossible to properly fill out brackets.
E Team says:
And Mark, I believe you are referring to General Canby, with an "n," a distinguished American soldier and officer who fought in the Civil War and the Mexican War before being murdered while trying to negotiate a peace treaty with the Modocs near Tule Lake.
I grew up not far from the Clackamas County town that bears his name.
Plus Vier has no problem giving the #2 seed a piece of the pie when they finish in a first place regular season stymie and have to go to a tie-breaker. Just not 50/50... We're willing to give up 1/3.
But we'll see what Durant, Nowitzki and Granger have to say about all of this.
Invaders said Camby while thinking basketball not history-It is Canby-interesting you say it was Modocs not Nez Pearce-probably got my Indian tribes mixed up as it is Modoc county and I was reading a lot about Chief Joseph coming to Klamath country and other tribes of the area at the time.I sold pot to guys who worked at a horseradish plant in nearby Malin just over Oregon border...Many memories get hazy from those days....
It was Captain Jack of Modocs not Chief Joseph who shot Canby in the face in 1873.It's hard to blame the Indians no matter how honest and good a man Canby may have been.We stole their land....
Ticket says
So I can shoot my ex in the face for stealing my land, house, truck, and retirement accounts?
Ticket says
My memory is questionable, but there was a tie atop the standings and the best record prize was split evenly. Since the point prize has its own winner, it doesn't mean more than the best record prize, which it would do if it was used for the tie breaker.
What if two teams were tied for most points? Would the team with the better record favor that squad's slice of the pie? I still like head to head, but obviously no one cares about that. So again I say yay to an even split.
This just in...
Ticket makes sense!
Repeat. Ticket makes sense!
Tom -you were not a victim of genocide(although our relatives in Europe were)-there's no way you're seriously comparing your individual looting as the result of a bad marriage(it happens every day) to clearances of an entire tribal society from their homes and/or ethnic cleansing?If Tom votes yes then you have the answer to the split question-P4 was willing to go 2/3-1/3 anyway so we're only discussing 16.7% of the money....
E Team says:
Dave's right. Ticket makes an excellent point. (Although I don't share his recollection that we've had a first-place tie before.)
If two teams were to tie for the points lead - which could happen - they'd simply split the money. Why shouldn't the same be true of won-loss record? The points tiebreaker can be seen as nothing more than the way to take care of seeding issues.
While all should appreciate the Germans' somewhat surprising generosity, the question is whether they have any say in the matter beyond their one vote, just like the rest of us.
Nobody's trying to steal from the Germans. We just haven't come across this before - Tom's hazy memory notwithstanding - and we need to establish policy. And not just for this season. (There's a couple other similar issues we need to clarify when we get a chance, too.)
It looks like the split pot has the votes right now. The P4s are right; they should just go ahead and win their match and make the whole thing a mut point, as Stacy would say.
E Team says:
Captain Jack actually objected to the plan to attack the U.S. Army negotiators, rejecting it as cowardly. The Modoc council forced him to go along.
The two parties were meant to be unarmed, but army emissaries concealed weapons. The Modocs concealed more.
Interesting about the Modocs-sounds like dis-honorable men on both sides...Also since we're talking indigenious peoples Eric I found a website devoted to my Hawaiian friend's father charleskBent.com.which includes edited highlights from one of his 2 appearances on Hawaii 5-0...
E Team says:
Mark, was that you going on about your buddy's father from the islands? (I can usually tell who's talking, but I still wish you guys would identify yourselves on the blog.)
Bent was born in late '32, so he's less than a year older than my dad. He went to McKinley High, while my old man was a Kamehameha boy (went to high school with Don Ho, who was a tremendous four-sport athlete, by the way).
Still, a found a bio that says Bent was a big-time surfer and also worked as a golf caddy, both of which my dad did as well.
I'll ask the old kama'aina if he knew the guy when I get a chance.
It was me Eric-that would be interesting if they knew each other-Bent was a lesser Don Ho/entertainer at hotels and on cruiseships and radio dj on KPUA radio in Hilo-did show in pidgin..
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