Oh hey, look fellas! A DNP turns a scintillating upper-division showdown into a non-event because we don't have an improved mitigation plan in place. Why? Because one person has decided that the only solution we are allowed to consider adopting is his own shiny, shitty little pet.
And guess what? It would have failed in this situation, too. Once again.
Good one Eric, But I don't call the shot's in this league. Only one person has full power to veto or approve and that's clearly you...it always has been. I'm not mad at you, just own it...This is not late breaking news.
There where a couple of suggestions made, all of which had their flaws. Of the 6 people involved, 4 leaned one way and two leaned the other way.
I get that it was a challenge to get everyone to place a vote at the same time. I've been asking to get a discussion/vote on this for years, but no one seems to be interested until it affects their match. So here we are...
Maybe we can start on a less challenging goal, like posting the matchups with the lineup page?
I do not feel the DNP situation can be properly mitigated moving forward with the "second chance" option. I agree with Mark's comment in a previous post, that with the new NBA scheduling there minimal occurrences with multiple games for a player in a single match period, thus more often than not rendering the SC unviable to mitigate DNPs compared to it's value in seasons past.
I am for dropping the second chance moving forward, for a backup player type of DNP mitigation option. I have voted this season "yes" for any options that offer a per roster position back up player (PG for PG, SG for SG, etc.) solution, and would vote in favor of this option again in the future.
I do not believe that a 7th man option is the solution, as it is the lazy man option and doesn't push a team manager to actually manage his team on a match to match basis.
Dave, I don't know what movie you're watching, but I don't have full power to veto or approve jack shit.
And Sean, restricting subs to specific positions without knowing who is going to DNP can't be done unless you back up every position in advance or try to sub in-match, but the latter DOESN'T FUCKING WORK as mitigation. Jesus.
And this whole "lazy man" idea is absurd. The current system requires no management whatsoever, so we can't get any lazier. And the proposed in-match sub thing doesn't even create an option in many cases. What's hands-on about that?
Try backing up all your starters before a match sometime and then see if you make the same choices one match later. Bet you don't. And how is that not managing your squad? That's creating and maintaining a full roster and fully using it, and it would nearly wipe out DNPs, which I believe was the goal.
Alright, let's cut out the dictator nonsense. We just come from different perspectives.
I don't disagree that listing the backups would all but eliminate DNP's, in fact, I totally agree with you. But let's face it, that is 2/3 of the way to submitting your full roster and having Mark go down the line until he finds a warm body. Maybe poorly worded or extreme, but I'm sure you can see the connection.
This really comes down to how you want the league to be ran. Is it a daily league or a weekly league? There are significant differences. I think our real difference of opinion is just that. What I'm hearing is that you would prefer a weekly league and I would prefer a daily league. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If we can agree on that, I think we would find that we aren't even arguing about the same thing and therefore, we could never agree on a DNP solution. I think Mark may have eluded to this earlier in the discussion and may be able to better describe the differences as I don't play weekly's. Sean may also play in weekly's (not sure).
I would simply describe the differences as Weekly- Set your lineup on Monday and check back on Sunday to see how you did Daily- Set your lineup on Monday and check back regularly to see if you need to make any adjustments.
I believe this is the first thing that needs to be resolved. If we can agree on that, then we should have the solution to the DNP.
Dave, you make an important point, and the answer, based on your definitions, is that we play in a kind of modified weekly league - twice weekly, to be exact - and have for 23 years, which suggests that most of us are more or less okay with it.
That doesn't mean we can't do anything we want with the thing. We've been customizing it for a long time, and I think we've created a pretty unique and high-performing product. I know of other fantasy leagues and they seem far less cool to me.
The DNP continues to be a real issue, probably our biggest leaving aside the winnings distribution piece, which has become ridiculous, as Wingo pointed out. But I think we can solve it if we keep an open mind about what will really work and what is authentic to what we do. And it may require some sort of dedicated sitdown, online or otherwise, with everyone involved, if there's to be any chance we get it done.
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Swat sez:
Kyrie 1, DBook 2, Middleton 3, ADavis 4, Drummond 5, Kuzma 6
Nitecaps
1. J. Wall
2. K. Thompson
3. D. Saric
4. B. Simmons
5. J. Embiid
6. K. Porzingas
Swat subs Schroder for Kuzma at 6
Wingos were at Sixers game last night, great to see a home win:
Match 21 Lineup
1-CP3
2-Jrue
3-Otto
4-LBJ
5-KAT
U-DAJ
and Li'l Isiah coming soon...
Invaders go Howard/Jokic/GF/Beal/Lowry/Butler
Kemba
Harden
Tobias Harris
My Turn
Cousins
E Gordon
E Team:
Durant 3, CJ 1, Nurkic 5, Aldridge 4, LouWill 2, Tyreke 6
E Team:
Oh hey, look fellas! A DNP turns a scintillating upper-division showdown into a non-event because we don't have an improved mitigation plan in place. Why? Because one person has decided that the only solution we are allowed to consider adopting is his own shiny, shitty little pet.
And guess what? It would have failed in this situation, too. Once again.
You tell me who's doing the "dictating."
Good one Eric, But I don't call the shot's in this league. Only one person has full power to veto or approve and that's clearly you...it always has been. I'm not mad at you, just own it...This is not late breaking news.
There where a couple of suggestions made, all of which had their flaws. Of the 6 people involved, 4 leaned one way and two leaned the other way.
I get that it was a challenge to get everyone to place a vote at the same time. I've been asking to get a discussion/vote on this for years, but no one seems to be interested until it affects their match. So here we are...
Maybe we can start on a less challenging goal, like posting the matchups with the lineup page?
I do not feel the DNP situation can be properly mitigated moving forward with the "second chance" option. I agree with Mark's comment in a previous post, that with the new NBA scheduling there minimal occurrences with multiple games for a player in a single match period, thus more often than not rendering the SC unviable to mitigate DNPs compared to it's value in seasons past.
I am for dropping the second chance moving forward, for a backup player type of DNP mitigation option. I have voted this season "yes" for any options that offer a per roster position back up player (PG for PG, SG for SG, etc.) solution, and would vote in favor of this option again in the future.
I do not believe that a 7th man option is the solution, as it is the lazy man option and doesn't push a team manager to actually manage his team on a match to match basis.
E Team:
Dave, I don't know what movie you're watching, but I don't have full power to veto or approve jack shit.
And Sean, restricting subs to specific positions without knowing who is going to DNP can't be done unless you back up every position in advance or try to sub in-match, but the latter DOESN'T FUCKING WORK as mitigation. Jesus.
And this whole "lazy man" idea is absurd. The current system requires no management whatsoever, so we can't get any lazier. And the proposed in-match sub thing doesn't even create an option in many cases. What's hands-on about that?
Try backing up all your starters before a match sometime and then see if you make the same choices one match later. Bet you don't. And how is that not managing your squad? That's creating and maintaining a full roster and fully using it, and it would nearly wipe out DNPs, which I believe was the goal.
Alright, let's cut out the dictator nonsense. We just come from different perspectives.
I don't disagree that listing the backups would all but eliminate DNP's, in fact, I totally agree with you. But let's face it, that is 2/3 of the way to submitting your full roster and having Mark go down the line until he finds a warm body. Maybe poorly worded or extreme, but I'm sure you can see the connection.
This really comes down to how you want the league to be ran. Is it a daily league or a weekly league? There are significant differences. I think our real difference of opinion is just that. What I'm hearing is that you would prefer a weekly league and I would prefer a daily league. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
If we can agree on that, I think we would find that we aren't even arguing about the same thing and therefore, we could never agree on a DNP solution.
I think Mark may have eluded to this earlier in the discussion and may be able to better describe the differences as I don't play weekly's. Sean may also play in weekly's (not sure).
I would simply describe the differences as
Weekly- Set your lineup on Monday and check back on Sunday to see how you did
Daily- Set your lineup on Monday and check back regularly to see if you need to make any adjustments.
I believe this is the first thing that needs to be resolved. If we can agree on that, then we should have the solution to the DNP.
If it's a weekly league than list your subs
If it's a daily league then allow in match subs
E Team:
Dave, you make an important point, and the answer, based on your definitions, is that we play in a kind of modified weekly league - twice weekly, to be exact - and have for 23 years, which suggests that most of us are more or less okay with it.
That doesn't mean we can't do anything we want with the thing. We've been customizing it for a long time, and I think we've created a pretty unique and high-performing product. I know of other fantasy leagues and they seem far less cool to me.
The DNP continues to be a real issue, probably our biggest leaving aside the winnings distribution piece, which has become ridiculous, as Wingo pointed out. But I think we can solve it if we keep an open mind about what will really work and what is authentic to what we do. And it may require some sort of dedicated sitdown, online or otherwise, with everyone involved, if there's to be any chance we get it done.
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