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24 comments:
E Team says:
What the...?
What is it with Dave and the energy-dampening field?!
I get a 20 from Deng and a 15 from Monta.
That's nice.
Eric-I think you're completely wrong on the DNP issue-this isn't shit thrown at anything- you said the idea of 7 men wasn't addressing the problem well now Invaders are addressing that point with Sean's idea-I'm against any searching of rosters for players not submitted by the team owner-I think that's the absolute worst suggestion I've heard and in no way should I have to do more work because somebody had a DNP that is the team owner's issue not mine-it should be 6 guys play and that's it-I only went to the idea of 7 to maintain real stats as well as play an extra guy and oppose the alternate "only when needed" due to DNP suggestion of P4- Eric you're the only one using the term "mitigation" which leads to this emphasis on fractional points and searching rosters... I don't believe from what I've resd that's actually what the other league members are asking for-this latest idea from Sean isn't forgiveness it's a one time shot a second chance for the "innocent" DNP which would then "mitigate" the effect by only allowing points if the same player could play the following game -and the beauty of it is that it has the unintended consequence of having a built in gauge for the type of DNP it really was(schedule not withstanding)every one else wants a solution far more than I do so I'm adjusting my views to reflect the will of the majority-and I'm just trying to expedite the process by continuing to offer ideas-it's counter productive at this point I believe not to follow through with some solution to the problem that bothers so many in this league just as it would also be counter productive for me to cling to my original view that we should do nothing-I will continue to strongly oppose any attempt to add anything but actual game stats to totals-the use of real numbers is what makes this game so much fun
Ticket says
How about that> A month ago I asked for a DNP to get a second chance if that guys shows up in the same match period.
Great to be ignored. When Eric was against postponing match 1 thereby being in favor of the running of the NY Marathon, er Knick and Net games the last weekend of Oct.
And Mark, besides getting two more votes confirmed to this piecemeal solution to the DNP problem, could you right click on hi-lited lineups like P4's, copy and paste to updated lineup posts?
The Houston Astros, I mean the Hawthorne Wingos, have just returned from a week off the grid with the family circus. It is good to know (a) the team still sucks, and (b) the DNP "situation" is no closer to resolution. I now understand that this is an elaborate and beautiful dance without end (a la the death scene from Camille or the Family Guy chicken fight), and will appreciate it accordingly.
E- Thank you for recognizing my stifling defense. Not pretty to watch yet none the less effective.
Re: Mark. I second your stance. I am willing to support the majority for the good of a conclusion.
I will add that I don't like this alternate player regardless of position or potentially pre-dating a players stats. They both seem to lend to some shady dealings.
I put this out there to put this to bed. All in favor say 'I' and we can move forward.
List your normal 6 players and a 7 next to your DNP ONLY player. Again, if you have more than one DNP that match you're stuck with only 5 players.
For those that feel that the DNP should still penalize a team, I get that, therefore we take 10 points off your total that week.
Real numbers. Not much extra work for commish. No one gets bent over too much. Best team should still win.
P4 'I'
E Team says:
One email comes in begging for an up-or-down vote and the next offers yet another proposal.
That's beautiful.
And Mark, I feel bad. I feel like you're having to carry water for an idea you don't even like. You say you've had to "adjust your views" for the majority. Why? Mark, there is no majority.
What we've got is a bunch of guys who hate getting DNPs but can't agree on what to do about it. We're supposed to panic over that? Maybe they don't feel any better about any of the proposed solutions than they do the existing rules.
And I knew Dave's "call me when you come up with something" would show up at some point. Dave, why don't you call us when you come up with something you can sell to a majority of league owners?
Invaders got home late this evening and have the following comments-still don't like the idea of any alternates or subtracting any points like P4 suggestion-Duly noted Tom's earlier suggestion and I will print lineups of those who let prior lineup ride for benefit of their opponents-I agree w/Eric that we don't have a majority for any single proposal but we seem to have a majority that want some kind of change which addresses DNPs which is what I meant in my earlier post regarding my changing my views from doing nothing to doing something about the situation-I wouldn't characterize trying to find a solution sooner rather than later as panic
Invaders think Wingos have put the debate over DNPs in the type of cynical perspective it most likely deserves not to mention our 2 horrible teams battling for futility-partial score my pathetic team 156 Hawthorne's 121 so he needs 36 from Cousins..
other partials -it appears Nitecaps remain unbeaten the score is Caps 201 awaiting the large infant E's 117 with 2 Celtics yet to play...it's Germans 146+Bosh(a nice German name)Tickets 112 with Josh Smith Steph Curry yet to be counted....and Swat team has 130 w/out King James the B's 84 sans DLee and DWade
Eric, I don't need to come up with a new proposal. I fully understand that there is no perfect solution to the DNP. Everyone of the proposals has it's flaws, Some just seem to be more so then others. I can't say that one is significantly better then the rest. As I stated before, I can get on board with a couple of the proposals.
Why don't we put all of the proposals on the board. Vote. Eliminate the one(s) with the fewest votes. Have another vote and so on.
If people are waiting around for some miracle proposal where suddenly everyone thinks "Great this is perfect" we are dreaming.
Some people, other than Mark and I, are going to have to be a little flexible with their opinions or nothing will change.
Invaders believe(speculate) there are probably 4 votes now for the 6 w/2nd chance in match period idea-based on our prior posts I see one vote from Sean since he brought it up/myself/Tom since he first suggested it and Dave-B's voted for 7 and haven't commented since then while Wingos voted for pct. solution of Eric.To review our discussion ideas thus far we've had 7 man and 6man w/alternate counted 50% only when there's DNP-We've also had 6 man w/2nd chance and 10% of team total if there's a DNP-the 7man and 10% of team total ideas deadlocked w/out a majority due to Germans and Sean presenting other ideas...adding any extra guy after lock time either by team designation(Ryan) or by searching rosters for low positional totals(Eric) are the least palatable and only seem to have one proponent each-if my summary of the present state of the DNP debate seems inaccurate to anybody please comment
Wingos willing to help make any majority.
Too late Wingos.
Can I get a break down on 6th with second chance.
So if a player DNP's on Monday but plays on Wednesday he get's that total? But if he doesn't play on Wednesday your out of luck?
Yes Dave that's the latest proposal Invaders made from ideas originally floated by Tom -2 shots to play within same match period so if it's just a flu or a "game time decision" type injury your DNP would have a good chance to play the next game-anything more serious or no game for a few nights tough luck
Final Nightcaps trounce the Eteam to remain unbeaten by the score of 219-161 Caps(Dragic-34...Melo-51...Kobe-56...Zebo-30...Baby-18...Turner-30)E(Howard-30...Love-52...Monta-15...Rondo-12...Pierce-32...Deng-20)Rondo apparently was ejected for fighting in this game
Invaders fall into last place losing to Wingos 159-156 HW(DWill-39...Kmart-12...AK-28...Horford-38...Cousins-29...Shved-13)Invaders(Gortat-13...Lamarcus-50...Parsons-30...Westbrook-27...JoeJohn-15...Lowry-21)I was wrong it was Horford not Cousins that Hawthorne still had left to go this evening-other scores tomorrow after first the Heat and then later the Warriors play
E Team says:
Dave, nice win. I could whine about the Monta outage and the Rondo ejection, but, like Mitt Romney, there was no path to victory for me on this one. Well done.
Okay, here's a scenario. Suppose the NBA announces a one-game suspension for Rondo and it goes into effect on Friday. Is it okay that, under the proposed Two-for-One option, I play Rondo knowing he'll DNP on Friday because he has another game on, say, Sunday?
Or what about the goofball that has plenty of time to learn that one of his guys is going to be out, but leaves him in the lineup anyway and gets bailed out of the DNP by a second game. Is that fair to guys who actually pay attention to their team?
And are there certain teams that get scheduled for a lot of Sunday games for national TV (Heat, Lakers, Knicks) and thereby play multiple games in the Friday to Sunday match period more consistently than other teams? And if that's true, wouldn't the proposed rule favor league owners with guys on those teams? (I don't know the answer, but I'm sure as hell not going to be the guy who looks it up.)
I think there's basically two competing principles in this discussion:
1) Some feel that teams should have no chance of replacing a DNP with a score as good or better than the one they would've got without it. (And no, Mark, I'm not the only one talking mitigation. The Germans are clearly in agreement, and both Ticket and Wingo have expressed support for the %10 Percent Solution. It's just that none of those guys is familiar with the word "mitigation.")
2) Some are adamant that half scores or percentages of team numbers are not authentic, even if they seem to offer the most equitable response to the problem. (And Mark, I think you're gripping this torch a little more tightly than anyone else.)
Doesn't that seem like the line dividing us?
And hey, I'm not against continuing to work on this, but I don't want it to get uncivilized. Dave, I appreciate your measured response to my somewhat pointed email. I don't want this thing to get personal. I have nothing but love for all.
Ticket says
In response to E-Team's accusation about Ticket and those junior members of this league of 8 nation armies, "none of those guys is familiar with the word "mitigation", Ticket responds to the teacher:
Mittigation... Ill gotten gains stolen by a recipient in a wage-slave-ocracy and pissed away in a failed presidential bid to determine which party of fat cats reaps the lion's share of benefits.
Hey krauts, how you like Ticket now? Something like 156+Curry.
Invaders enjoy reading Eric's latest post-the thing I'm in the most agreement w/is the Rondo suspension scenario-I'm against that type of pre-announced DNP being solved for the myopic team owner but there seems to be some semblance of a consensus that I nor anyone else should have the right to differentiate between forms of DNPism-I foresaw an adverse response to my singling out the term mitigation.. the line by Eric that 3 other guys agreed with me but don't know what "mitigation" means was predictable-I think Tom is switching to his 2 chance idea but that's to be determined-you're right I absolutely hold the torch for real stats gripping on to it as tightly as possible-here are some words I live by-"reality is what makes fantasy so exciting!!"(you can take this many ways philosophically but we're talking PDX fantasy basketball in this context)I have big problem with these fractional solutions it ceasing to replicate a season in progress which is what I sign up for in fantasy-hell we could create a game where each guy on your roster is worth 1/15th of their actual output each game would that be enjoyable?Eric find me a solution that only employs real stats and I'll go along with it-you're preaching to the choir(I'd closer resemble the Cantor at temple but the metaphor is logical)when talking about not wanting to bail out DNPers fully-which was why I suggested 7 guys in the first place as a compromise -lastly have no worries none of this is personal I'm just trying to protect and improve our collective fantasy experience-this debate also gets my mind off my horrible team and into league issues...
Invaders wish to add that when I wrote "...find me a solution that employs real stats.."that I can support it doesn't include plumbing the utter depths of banality by searching rosters for the worst positional scores...I don't mind a little extra work but I will never support that solution I'm not a sanitation worker cleaning up after the DNPs
Final Swat defeats the Belvederes 173-162 Swat(Parker-19...Iggy-19...Lbj-43...Gasol-29...Batum-20...Varejao-43)B(Sessions-13...Wade-30...Gay-26...Griff-14...Lee-48...Asik-31)
Final the NY Tickets rally behind Curry to defeat the Germans 194-178 NYT(Noah-23...Josh-44...Derozan-18...Monroe-35...Curry-38...CP3-36)P4(Holiday-29...Harden-46...Bosh-32...Durant-32...Ibaka-14...George-25)Dave's Nitecaps take high point winnings once again w/219
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