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E Team says:
WTF?! How does Dwyane Wade score 25 points in 10 minutes? Do the Pacers have five guys on the floor?
Invaders tells Ticket Monday he has no chance to beat leader.
Giant killer Ticket says KG vs Nets looks better than Felton vs Hawks in a matter of 50 year old Ticket's life and death escape from the cellar. That could happen anyway for 51 year old Ticket after All-Star game.
KG,Deron (11 after 1/4)+Ticket 135-77 E-Team Lee,Ellis,Boozer (25 after 3/4)
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KG,Deron (11 after 1/4)+Ticket 135-77 E-Team Felton,Lee,Ellis,Boozer (25 after 3/4)
I don't know which is more ridiculous...That there is no formula after 15 years or that I have never even had any idea of what the payouts where?
Anyway...since you didn't ask. Here are my thoughts.
Who pays out for regular season finish? No one. You payout for scoring champ. The end.
Champ should get 50% of pot 2nd 30% 3rd 20% or money back.
Something in that ballpark is pretty standard.
Don't try and complicate thing with 10 bucks here and 30 bucks there.
This thought of paying something for coming in second or third in the regular season is ridiculous.
The playoff is where your money is made.
The final standings right?
You guys are trying to out think this thing.
I should have assumed there was something screwy going on.
Hey Mark
Looks like you are closing in on locking up second place.
I can't overcome that Thunder blowout.
nice job!
-TooLittleTooLateCaps
Dave-Invaders asked for other input in prior post but no one other than myself and Eric were debating the payout-you're right it is ridiculous that it wasn't already set and none of us thought about it until now putting Eric in the position of seemingly paying himself due to his excellent record-I felt perhaps naive thinking that 2nd place for 40 games deserves something too..what was the payout traditionally in this league?I didn't make the playoffs my first 2 seasons so it wasn't something I worried about-if you and Eric have some precedent as to payments you want tell me about please do..I reacted to Eric's intial call for no second place money for regular season but money for 2nd and 3rd in playoffs-as Eric stated winning the playoffs can be a fluke but regular season excellence for 40 games is an accomplishment-I see the same logic as applying to my pitch for 2nd place money..I again also think a lot of money for scoring title is redundant w/200 already allocated to MHS..hence my agreement w/Eric to carve money out of playoff champion and scoring leader to spread it around more..
Invaders are very thankful for Thunder blowout w.Westbrook sitting in 2nd half making up for my underachieving Granger who for 2nd match in a row for me had to guard LeBron!!a little distracting to say the least...It's Superman and Terry vs.Wright tonight and Blatche tomorrow..Nash is almost done he had 28 at end of 3rd qtr...I saw Wade w/22 w/5 minutes to go in 1st qtr...
E Team says:
Dave, I'll answer both of your questions.
The league has always had a formula for distributing money, it just changes slightly from season to season depending on current realities. We've had as many as 10 participants, as few as seven. We've paid $200 and up to get in and as little as $125. We've tended to distribute larger purses more widely and tighten things up with there's less money in the pot.
The basic outlines of the system are the product of a lot of years and a lot of discussions about the value of outperforming competitors over the long grind of 40 matches relative to winning the championship in two short series that can be turned upside down in an instant by mercilessly sudden quirks of fate. (There's a reason it's called the Jason Hart Trophy.)
I'm sure we all appreciate your proposed solution to the money distribution issue, but I for one am not sold on the idea that a team that has outperformed all others from early November to March is undeserving of any recognition whatsoever. And I'm not just saying that because I'm currently in first place.
As for the second question, the one about you never having known anything about the payout scheme in 15 years? Yes, I'd say that's a little ridiculous.
E Team says:
Wow. Ticket benefits from the Pacers' failure to assign anyone to guard Dwyane Wade in the first quarter, then watches DLee and Monta go sub-30 in a surprisingly easy win over the Horn Nuts.
He's got 166 and KG against 157 and Felton for his first win over the E Team in nearly two years.
Invaders confirm Ticket-E score as 166-157 +KG and Felton...other partials Nitecaps 152+Blatche Invaders 130+Howard and Terry...P4 145+Dirk Kontrol???.....it appears Kontrol will have a low score this match
Partial score...Swat 141+Rondo JRB 130+Melo....
Swat sez;
I have JRB at 152, Melo went on Monday for a 22 and I didn't see any early/late call announcements.
JRB - Cousins 38, JoSmith 47, Melo 22, kobe 28, TEvans DNP, Gay 17 = 152
Swat - Curry 23, Durant 28, KLOVE 24, AlJeff 45, millsap 21 = 141 w/Rondo to go
Swat sez;
Looking for my old payouts sheet from 10 years ago, did something change since from that so long?
Ticket says
If I'm not mistaken, the league once
consisted of six of the present seven (no JRB),Bunglers,And One,Big Panty,Hammer (a finalist),Drive By Shooters and Big Sky for a 12 team league.
Since E-team is counting wins vs Ticket the last two years, he might want to count the check for over a grand written for Ticket in the league's more peopled period and compare that to the chicken feed he'll enjoy should he be lucky enough to win with the crappiest title team since his Camby,Webber,RIP regulars on that piece of shit ring winner only he could take pride in.
Honestly, how can anyone take credit for anything when the holder of rejects from expansion teams (Charlotte-Felton,Lee-NY) and a sticky lottery winner coin that says LBJ three years in a row?
Sean-Invaders apologize for missing Nougat game w/Melo-22(he's really mailing it now w/week to go before trade deadline)-that would confirm the 152 for JRB w/Tyreke DNP-so a 12 from Rondo will do it for you....also I'm(Wilt's Warriors) trying to take care of Run DMC in the yahoo league for you this week so you can get into playoffs-I believe you play him next week
Swat sez;
No problem and thanks Invaders!
Your benefit for your performance over the 40 match season is the greatest benefit ever afforded any team in any league.
You get the 1 game lead in a best of 3 series.
What else could you want?
Has there been any research done that the MHS money actually promotes team participation?
I personally would like to see that money thrown back in the pot in the future.
Let the record show that I am firmly against paying any money to any team not finishing first in the regular season.
Reward is (should) always be paid for where you finish. Not where you were at right before the end.
Sorry Mark, I must have missed your post on this topic.
My personal feeling is that the only money paid should be to playoff qualifiers, scoring title, best record and order of finish.
Note: not order of almost finished.
Also add. By doing away with the MHS$ we could throw $50 or more back into the NIT if we are able to add an 8th, 9th or 10th team.
Invaders tend to side w/Eric on the flukishness of winning playoffs while ignoring fine regular season..I tend to agree w/Dave on the lack of purpose for MHS money-of course since we operated on the assumption of 5 bucks per mhs then this year we should go through w/it..it should be either mhs or regular season scoring champion in the future not both.....I'm not at all sold that 3rd place in playoffs is worth more than 2nd in regular season a much more difficult accomplishment..I see Dave's point that other leagues have set payouts 1/2/3 based on playoffs and no other league rewards based on 1/2 finish regular season records w/ first game wins in best of 3 playoffs-but this is a unique custom league..I don't think NIT is payable event-there could be side bets to make it interesting...for the future I'm for any pay format and/or rule changes that attract a full 8-10 team league-I would guess that paying something for regular season 2nd or even 3rd would be attractive to prospective recruits....the regular season is a grind and there should be something to keep guys interested whether mhs/3rd place money etc.. ..Kontrol should only be a last second device when you've got odd numbers..I prefer human competition
Your winnings for finishing 2nd, 3rd and fourth in the regular season would come in the form of $50 (or whatever) for making the playoffs.
I still can't get on board with rewarding something different for finishing in second place.
I also can't imagine that as a selling point?
The biggest fluke in the playoffs is that a lower seed would beat an upper seed.
Perhaps Tom or Eric can tell us how many times that has happened?
Believe me Mark if anyone should be in favor of regular season payouts it would be me. I had two runaway scoring titles and number 1 seeds in football and got bounced in the first round of the playoffs.
No league has ever more heavily weighted its higher seeds than this one.
I guess if you want to start paying more for finishing first and second in the regular season you should drop the one and advance advantage.
I don't think you should have it both ways.
Dave- Invaders see your point about the 1 win advantage for first and second...it skews an otherwise logical argument I'm making for 2nd place money .. but that(1-2 team playoff advantage) seems to be firmly entrenched tradition in this league as is mhs money...I could certainly live w/out it(playoff advantage) but that would need to be offset w/bigger regular season prizes.. Eric's initial proposal that 3rd place in the playoffs get more than the second place regular season finisher(who'd get nothing) seems blatantly unfair...the regular season must have some importance beyond the playoff seeding..and I think only first place getting prize money isn't a fair reward for working hard all year to keep your club in contention...the playoffs would become more flukish w/out the "home court" advantage of the first 2 seeds-as you said lower seeds rarely if ever win under the current format...why not shave all the entrenched larger awards a little bit and give money for 1-3 in both the regular season and playoffs??As to whether that's a selling point to new membership it's pure speculation on my part.I'm not able to recruit anybody from here.....You have a better handle on what changes are needed to bring in more Portland guys you know..
Final Swat 164 JRB 152-Swat(as per sean post +rondo-23)JRB(as reported by Sean in prior post)Final Ticket 195 Eteam 186 Ticket E post of 166 +KG 29) E(prior E post of 157+Felton-29)the mighty E's have been defeated by the last place Ticketeers...that's why we play this crazy game...there's always hope
Awaiting the Maverick-King game w/Dirk and Jet to calculate finals-I can tell you that my Invaders have beaten the Nitecaps and that P4 w/Dirk is fighting to beat the machine despite the fact that this will be Kontrol's lowest point total of the year.... we also may see our first MHS winner below 200
The Cavs beat the Lakers and Ticket beats the E's on the same night!!...Invaders love this game!!!!!!!
Final Invaders 192 Caps 179 Invaders9Howard-47/PGasol-34/Granger-25/Nash-39/Jet-15/Baron-32)Nitecaps(Westbrook-24/Martin-22.Wright-30/ZBo-41/Blatche-27/Rose-35)Final Kontrol 178P4 165 Kontrol(1068/6)P4(Paul-26/Iggy-21/Wallace-32/Dirk-20/BLopez-28/Blake-38)the German collapse continues w/Dirk of the master race playing poorly...Ticket wins MHS w/a whopping total of 195....
E Team says:
Five teams score under 180 and another, the E Team, fails to make 190, opening the door to Ticket's upset of the frontrunner. Bridesmaids? The Invaders close to within three games of first place with seven to play.
The Nitecaps' loss to the Invaders puts the defending champion one loss or an E Team win from being out of the race for the regular season crown, and three and half games away from homecourt advantage.
Swat, who wins with a 164, overtakes the Germans for the final playoff spot and closes to within a game of the third-place 'Caps.
And Grandpa Ticket, with his hoary tales about how he was once a meaningful fantasy competitor, moves into a virtual tie with JRB in the race to stay out of the cellar.
Standings have been mailed out.
E Team says:
And let me understand the latest proposals for revising the payout scheme. No money for winning a 40-match regular season, no money for winning the scoring title and elimination of the popular MHS in favor of more money for the NIT?
The NIT?
A tournament that determines the fifth-place finisher?
Really?
Perhaps I miss typed?
I am in favor of best record money.
I am in favor of scoring leader money.
I am in favor of transferring "some" of the money from MHS to a NIT match if there where enough teams. If not throw it in to the big pot.
I am not in favor of regular season second place money. If you lose three straight in the playoffs after finishing second in the regular season so be it.
I am in favor of all playoff teams getting some dough for qualifying.
Is the MHS$ wildly popular???
Is it?
Isssss it?
Invaders main disagreement w/Dave is that I think 2nd place regular season winner is more worthy of money than 3rd and 4th in playoffs..I think NIT should be side money bet between participants w/perhaps a 25 dollar bump out of the pot at most...4th place in playoffs should get nothing...I'm not a big fan of MHS
I agree with Mark on the MHS$
As far as the NIT money goes. I think that the original idea (like the MHS) was to keep teams participating and competing for something.
I agree that the fourth place finisher should get no additional money. Only the top three. I might argue that all 4 teams should win something $25? for making the playoffs.
We will have to agree to disagree on the second place regular season dough though.
Geez Mark the second place team would only have to win 1 of 4 playoff games to get in third place.
That shouldn't be to much to ask?
Are we the two that have an opinion?
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