Thursday, February 17, 2011

Enter Match 34 lineup

45 comments:

nitecaps said...

Zach to Orlando?
Outlaw to Portland?

say it isn't so

Unknown said...

Cousins
Smith
Anthony
Kobe
Evans
West

Hoop Social said...

Invaders read hoopshype.com 2-3 times daily for all latest rumors-Dave neither player move is mentioned-are these Oregonian or Tribune fueled rumors?other local Portland media?schedule this match Caps-Rynos E-Kontrol Germanics-Jewish Scalpers My Invasion force-Swatters

Hoop Social said...

We've got until Tuesday at 4pm for lineups and we should have at least a couple of trades by then Invaders would bet...Melo is meeting the Nets Russian owner finally at Nugget behest this weekend at all-star fest in LA...want to pressure Knick owner Dolan into giving up more than Walsh-D'Antoni as advisers would approve

Hoop Social said...

Dave- Invaders just scrolled down earlier hoopshype reports-Blazers want Harris and Morrow but Nets are insisting they take Outlaw in deal involving Miller-why Nets would want Dre for Harris is beyond me unless they've got deal to send him to contender...Orlando wants extra big man at 4 and to replace Gortat to back up Howard but Zach is probably worth too much in trade for Magic to cough up assets to make such a deal-you're probably talking Bass/Redick and a first rounder plus extra body to make salaries match

nitecaps said...

Those are the deals I was talking about
Portland ships Rudy, Dre and the Vanilla Gorilla to the Nets for Harris, Morrow and Outlaw.

I know Orlando wants a big man and it looks like Memphis doesn't want to resign Zach.

I will never give up my sources!
I belive it was rotowire.

nitecaps said...

How about Nene to the Rockets? or Magic?

E Team said...

E Team says:

Dave: That trade sucks ass. That trade turns the Blazers into the Philadelphia 76ers, a team with a bunch of athletes and half a brain among them. Maybe you could fire McMillan and bring Don Nelson back to coach them.

I say the Blazers move Pryzbilla and see if they can find some marginal veteran who can give them a little bit of scoring off the bench or some raw young big man project. (Although getting Jeff Pendergraph back would suit me just fine.)

Do you really need to blow up the Blazers with Roy and Oden still question marks? If Rudy now wants to stay stateside, resign him. How expensive could he be? And how much is Miller's expiring contract really worth if you bring back some douchebag with half his leadership?

Devin Harris? What, because he had one 50-point game two years ago? Andre Miller will still be kicking the ass of guys like Devin Harris when he's 40. If there were an NBA in a parallel universe where DJ Mbenga were Dwight Howard, Devin Harris would be Monta Ellis. I'd rather have Patty Mills.

Hoop Social said...

Nene could go but probably not to those 2 teams..latest Net-Nugget deal has Melo-Billups-Balkmam-Shelden Williams and Ely for Harris-Favors-Murphy-Uzoh& 4 first round picks-only goes if Melo signs 3 year extension....If he doesn't then Murphy could possibly go to Magic...or Utah in deal for Kirilenko...Hamilton deal is dead...Celtics are intetested in Rip...I think Miller/Camby and Vanilla Gorilla all must be traded..perhaps Oden's contract as well...Aldridge should be only untouchable piece w/Batum and Matthews as next best long term assets- Blazers are stuck w/Roy's knees for the rest of his short career

Hoop Social said...

Eric -Invaders see the Harris deal as just a way to get younger which they must do one way or another..You can't fool yourself to believe Blazers are close to contention..sure Miller was better than Harris at the same age but is he now at 36??..Harris could play for a year then be traded for good value leaving Patty the 1 spot...Camby/Przybilla and Miller must go now for the best combination of younger talent and draft picks they can be used for..the Net package isn't great but Harris is the best piece..Net strategy must be based on getting another deal because Miller does nothing for them and if they do get Melo they get Billups as well...I think a package of Camby or Pryzbilla w/Fernandez and/or Miller could get a lot from a contender.....Pendergraph will never be more than a backup 4 in this league..Mills could possibly handle point guard though in years to come...Rudy is very marketable and should go to a place like New York or the southwest w/a large spanish speaking population to make him more comfortable in the states..He'd be perfect in San Antonio w/their reliance on passing and 3 pointers

Hoop Social said...

Ticket got this message from JRB three days early.
Cousins
Smith
Anthony
Kobe
Evans
West

Hoop Social said...

Ticket says
Not a home court playoff player in this entire picture.
Fuck Harris. For any Blazer(S) except Buck Williams tutored defender Aldridge, send Brooke Lopez here! Cunningham replaces Vanilla Gorilla (nice tag X-Man)?

E Team said...

E Team says:

Now I hear talk about Maurice Speights. I've been watching that guy. He's a fantasy point a minute. Then again, so were Charlie Villanueva and Ike Diogu at one time.

Mark, what's his deal?

Hoop Social said...

Invaders do like Mareese Speights-Orlando is a potential spot for him to replace Gortat-he's mobile enough to play 4 defensively-he's got wingspan..his offense need work and he has to score mostly on putbacks and transition...he would benefit w/a good point guard to set him up where he can handle the ball and score..Holiday is quick and dynamic but looks to finish as often as pass and is still making mistakes only just turning 20...Mareese is similar to Dalembert who he backed up before Sixers got Hawes and Ibaka(who's better) at OKC.. Collins favors his white boy Hawes as starter but only plays 20-25 minutes(slow lateral moving white guy always in foul trouble)... then Speights loses minutes as Doug likes to play small w/Brand at 5 and Thaddeus Young being a 4 for 10-12 minutes each game depending on matchups..NY daily news reports today that rationale for Miller-Harris deal is expiring contract creating cap room to pursue Paul in 2012 to pair w/Melo...but if Harris is included in Melo deal Billups would play Miller role w/4 million buyout for next year in his contract.....I actually think Dante Cunningham is a very nice combo 4-5 off the bench for years to come but he's much smaller them Speights..I prefer Cunningham to Pender

Hoop Social said...

Invaders should add for Tom that Lopez is only untouchable on Net roster so forget him...The best center available in trade is probably just activated Chris Kamnan but his injury history makes him a bad bet for Blazers....supposedly a Kaman for Tayshaun Prince deal has been on the table for a while Prince is in final year of his contract...their slaries match and Kaman is from Michigan while Tayshaun is from LA so he'd probably re-sign...Sterling's Clips want to dump Kaman and Baron desperately as they're very happy w/Jordan and Bledsoe as replacemnets to build around Blake and Gordon..

Hoop Social said...

Invaders hoopshype update-Newsday is reporting that Knicks refusal to include Galinari in deal is what's preventing Melo from being a Knick-Nuggets expect bettter players from NY beacuse they don't have the first rounders that Nets have...so it's Felton/Galinari/Chandler and Randolph who'd be swapped to Twolves for fist rounder plus Curry's contract and future Knick first we're talking about..Knicks want to sub Toney Douglas for Felton if they give Galinari and Nuggets also want Mozgov..if Net deal is done then Murphy would go w/one first to Cavs for their LBJ trade exception-Nugget owner Kroneke refuses to pay luxury tax and is one of more radical owners on battling players union and contracting teams which may explain his hardball stance on Melo trade..Cavs will also trade Parker to either Boston or Chicago-there's possibility of Jamison going to Hornets possibly for David West who has turned down contract extension but that's less likely than the other deals mentioned..

nitecaps said...

EEeeeeZ Eric
I don't like the deal either. I just the reporter.
Dx

nitecaps said...

I would like to hear some more input on the payouts from Eric and Tom.

I'm not sure any other teams are participating?

E Team said...

E Team says:

Dave, I wouldn't expect to hear much from those who've refrained from commenting to this point. For that matter, I don't know how much more I have to add.

You said in one of your posts that we can't have things both ways, that we must choose between rewarding teams that succeed in the regular season or lavishing money on playoff winners.

In fact, fifteen years of discussion on the matter have come to the opposite conclusion, that we can recognize both. Specifically, I remember reaching agreement with other league members that winning the regular season title and winning the scoring title are both achievements that merit prizes at or close to the level of the entry fee. This has been established for years.

Most of the balance goes to the overall champion and the payment of MHS wins, with modest amounts paid to runners up and the NIT, assuming there is one.

While I believe that a second place finish in either the regular season and the playoffs is worthy of some consideration, I'm truly surprised that both you and Mark are determined to safeguard money for third and fourth place finishers at the expense of MHS cash.

MHS is not a way of keeping non-contenders interested or attracting new participants to the league. MHS is a very straightforward way of rewarding the most basic principle of our game, outperforming your opponents. And it does create a small but meaningful kind of interest for competitors; it remains the only way to generate winnings during the five months prior to the postseason.

And regarding the double jeopardy playoff format, I've thought often this season about whether we should dispense with it in relation to the first round matchup between the 2 and 3 seeds, perhaps under certain circumstances, perhaps altogether. But I will never agree with the idea that, after 40 matches, the first place finisher should be on equal footing with the league's fourth-best team in a short series. That says five months of superior stewardship by the regular season winner is worth nothing more than a small fraction of the overall pot.

You may say the pennant winner gets a chance to prove his legitimacy in a best of three. I say he's already proved it. Better that the fourth place team gets the slim chance he deserves against double jeopardy. He's proved nothing. If our season ended today, you would provide equal footing for a team with a losing record against a team 13 games over .500 and 18 fp's a game better.

Admit it, Dave, you and Mark are gamblers, and that's fine. You'll never run out of places to take your shots. But the consensus that has emerged in this league has leaned toward rewarding the marathon winner. And with a season that takes us all the way through the winter every year, why shouldn't it?

We get the occasional lucky breaks for the less-than-deserving in this league, and I'm okay with that. But making it easier for teams with unimpressive lower seed finishes to not only get titles but take all the money doing it is not something I'm inclined to support. Now or ever.

Hoop Social said...

Eric- Invaders are not in favor of any 4th place money and don't think 3rd deserves much..I only want to shave MHS if you keep scoring title money as high as it is..It's essentially a double payoff..I firmly believe 2nd in regular season is just as deserving of money(less than first of course) and playoff advantages...I only suggested money for 3rd because your intial proposal offered money for 3rd in playoffs and nothing for 2nd in regular season which I felt slighted the 40 game achievment-Dave's 1/2/3/4 payout system is based on experience w/other leagues..The home advantage must be afforded the top 2 teams unless you substantially alter the payouts for more regular season award money for 2nd and something small for/3/4 in regular season..I look at the regular season as being half the payout and playoffs the other half except the playoff champion should logically get the biggest cash prize..

nitecaps said...

Something is getting lost in translation.

..and of course all of my points are made with out even knowing what the payouts are?

How much of the money is spent on regular season awards vs final standings?

I think the scoring champ and record champ should get paid.

I love the 1 game advantage for the regular season champ. I wish I could figure a way to incorporate it into other leagues.

I would be in favor of doing away with the 2 vs 3 advantage.

So if a four seed teams gets in the playoffs and goes on a 5 or 6 game win streak or whatever it takes and wins the whole thing, what is his take?

That answer should give me all the information I need to know.

nitecaps said...

Also, I assume this discussion is for how things are handled in the future and no changes will or should be made for this season.

E Team said...

E Team says:

Dave, the proposed payouts are on a previous post. I'm not sure which one. You'll find it.

All of this pertains to coming seasons, unless the second place finisher decides to get all brave and agree to go best of three.

The answer to Dave's question about the No. 4 team getting hot and running the table at playoff time: he wins the championship and gets the championship money, usually 35-45 percent of the pot. Heck, I think it may have happened. Tom might know.

What he doesn't get is the money that is rightly put aside for winning the regular season. Why would he? He finished fourth. And remember, the regular season winner only gets about a third of what the champion gets. I think the money is there for your late achievers, Dave.

nitecaps said...

Sounds good

Hoop Social said...

Invaders go w/Howard/PGasol/Granger/Nash/Terry and Baron

Hoop Social said...

Swat sez;

I would tend to agree that MHS money tends to be a regular season double pay since the top two teams are the ones who would have seemed to have won most of the MHS's anyway.

If money is going to be taken from somewhere to sweeten the pot for the second place team and bump up the playoff bounty, it should come from there.

I too remember reaching agreement with other league members that winning the regular season title and winning the scoring title are both achievements that merit prizes at or close to the level of the entry fee. Although this also seems to be a place where the "double payout" rears its ugly head too since regular season title and scoring title seem to almost always go hand in hand.

E Team said...

E Team says:

Testing the Double Payment theory on MHS.

Thus far, of the $165 paid out for MHS this season, $105 is going to teams other than the one likely to win the scoring title. And frankly, the distribution should have been even wider given the quality of the competitors in the league this year.

Match High money creates 40 mini-tournaments with an actual cash prize to the winner. What the hell is wrong with that? I think it's cool. And if you're good enough to get yourself 25 or 50 bucks by the end of the year, job well done.

Remember, there are rotisserie leagues where there aren't even head-to-head matches, where the only thing that matters is who puts up the most points. Scoring is kind of a big deal, isn't it?

Having said that, I can see the value of keeping the scoring title award lower than the first place money, which has been proposed this year for the first time. In our system, with the emphasis on head-to-head matches, it is less significant than finishing atop the standings, and yes, some money will have been awarded for the high scores already.

And hey, Nancy and I went to see "The Fighter" last night. Loved it. Irish Micky Ward. Awesome.

nitecaps said...

It looks me like the league is trying to be a combination rotisserie/H2H league without really succeeding at either.

I will add that the league is at it's best and most entertaining at any point that I recall.

I think the multiple position designation has been a nice addition.

I also believe the added free agency periods adds a needed option.

Mark and Eric have done an outstanding job of bookkeeping which is the real key.

E Team said...

E Team says:

Dave, half a breath before talking about all the things that we've done right this year, you have to get in your shot about the league is "not really succeeding."

What is it with you?

What isn't succeeding? The league continues to be exactly what we make it. People come up with new ideas, little things go wrong, we get together and talk them out and make fixes where they are needed. It's like any longterm relationship; you make adjustments as you go along.

But you never stop carping about how imperfect this league is, as if the templates for the other leagues you play in drifted down from heaven on the wings of angels, perfect in every regard.

Whatever. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I listen to how other leagues work and they sound stupid or boring to me, way less cool than this one.

Maybe it's because our league is so homegrown that I take your comments more personally than I should. What's ironic is that you belittle something that you yourself started and continue to help shape as much as anyone.

I'm not involved in any other fantasy league and never have been because, quite honestly, I don't think much of fantasy sports. But I think pretty highly of this league. I don't get your need to constantly run it down. What is that?

E Team said...

E Team says:

LBJ, Monta, SJax, Boozer, Aldridge, Hickson

Hoop Social said...

Invaders are amazed at latest Melo twists-here's the latest..Nuggets are trying to make this a 4 team deal-Felton/Chandler and Corey Brewer plus extra Net body and 3 first rounders(2 Net and 1 Twolves) to Nuggets(who'd probably move Felton having career year to keep cheaper and quicker Lawson)Twolves get Curry,Randolph and 3 million cash..Nets get Gallinari and Mozgov..Knicks get Melo Billups and one of the following(Ely/Balkman/Carter or Shelden Williams)one of these ends up w/Nets and or another Net player ends up in Denver...whole deal rests w/whether Knicks will include Mozgov now knowing he and Gallinari end up as part of building Nets into international brand which is what Prokoviev wants..

Hoop Social said...

Eric Invaders are reading that you're Jackson may be heading to Mavs for Butler's expiring contract as MJ wants to save money as majority owner..

E Team said...

E Team says:

Uh oh. My backcourt in flux. Watch, one of them will hold out or something.

E Team said...

E Team says:

Hey, maybe Felton will end up in Portland.

nitecaps said...

Don't take things so personal E. At least I participate.

E Team said...

E Team says:

It's true. Even if I feel like I'm always having to defend the continued existence of the league, at least there's some energetic dialogue going on.

Here's to you, XMan. Bringin' the noise.

And hey, I'm serious about the Felton thing. I hate Devin Harris, but if the Blazers are going to part with Dre and Rudy and Pryzbilla, haven't they given up enough to get Felton back? The Nuggets think they're good with Ty Law and the Knicks are just going to get Chris Paul anyway.

Felton, Felton, Felton.

Hoop Social said...

Melo deal is done!!!!!!!!Eric Invaders have not read of any Felton deal to Blazers-only Devin Harris and Troy Murphy for Pryzbilla and Miller(or Morrow instead of Murphy but not Outlaw) so Nets can have more cap space..to get Felton would probably require sending Batum to Nuggets...they want him desperately...

E Team said...

E Team says:

Mark, I think your Devin went to the Mavs.

Hoop Social said...

Eric-Invaders have read Mavs are one of 4-5 possible destinations for Harris but there's no deal yet-The Bergen Record reported that Nets offered Harris to Mavs as part of 3 way deal to get 2 Net first round picks but the Nuggets have to send Felton and either Mozgov or Galinari to Nets...Nuggets are now trying to get Nene to sign extension-if he does then Mozgov could go but Rockets are making nice offers for Nene..Clippers have now offered 1st round pick in either 2011 or 2012 for Galinari-Cavaliers are also in play due to LBJ trade exception-they like Galinari...Harris and Murphy will go somewhere but no deal yet..Blazers offer reportedly(Bergen Record) is Oden/Pryzbilla and Miller for Harris and Murphy..no longer talking Morrow or Outlaw....my Warriors are also offering Brandan Wright and Gadzuric for Murphy

Hoop Social said...

Ticket says
Mark's investigation reaches the Bergen Record. What's that Record, most unacknowledged premature deaths resulting from a nuke meltdown?

NY promises to pair LBJ with Melo last year. Stand for that plan.

Scola,Bosh,KG,Joe J,Wade and Deron.

These guys in the all-star game-swap wop Manu for Luis- combine for 106 fps.
No offense to E-Team and his brood intended.

nitecaps said...

Nitecaps VS. ?

R. Westbrook
N. Young
D. Wright
Z. Randolph
A. Stoudemire
D. Rose

What is the fantasy impact of the trade deadline?

Can I get some analysis!

Hoop Social said...

Tom-Invaders use Bergen Record because that was EVERYBODY's source for the Devin to Blazers story originally(even for you in Portland most likely)..it's the Jersey equivalent of Newsday...or perhaps in Portland terms the Columbian(which hoopshype also quotes along w/Tribune and Oregonian) w/much much larger population....hoopshype cites ALL sources of NBA rumors...for example the best source for Warrior gossip is usually San Jose Mercury rather than SF/Oakland papers...best source for Bucks rumors are usually the Racine paper...etc...

Hoop Social said...

Dave-Invaders will give analysis of my take on fantasy implications when trade deadline hits-it's still speculation on what deals get done now-you're playing JRB this match...You've got an easy win it would seem w/Tyreke and Melo DNP-as for Evans he's out for 3 weeks.. I posted schedule way up toward the begining of these postings last Thursday

Hoop Social said...

Ticket says
JRB sent this e-mail to me in time for this match:

jennings for evans
Ryan Collins
(503)539-0207
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:29:27 -0800

I can forward that if needed.

So when you (Mark) pick up your Bergen Record off your stoop in your bathrobe ala Tony Soprano, does it make you feel at all misinformed that Jerry Sloane's whipping boy Deron Williams will now be hawking tickets in a dying mall near you, like Charlotte owner Michael? Jordan?

Hoop Social said...

Swat sez;

Not sure who I am playing?