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25 comments:
E Team says:
You guys want to talk about possible changes in the design of the league?
Lets' hear it.
Invaders suggest the following;First make sure all teams have active owners;Second at the end of each match period Thursday and Sunday we'd have until 4pm lock follwing day to cut someone and pick someone up.If this is too much then we could amend it to once a week.Waiver period of one match period(or one week) so if you cut some guy he can't be picked up until following match period ends.One advantage here would be that you could cut guys that are injured for a while and might be able to get them back.To prevent stashing injured players and raise quality of free agent pool I propose lowering player draft/limit to 12.Picks would be in inverse order of standings as before.I also propose limited multiple position designations agreed upom before draft.As a limiting factor only 2 multi-position players would be allowed per team amd only 1 could play each match period.Therefore the 12 man limit would essentially be 10 single position and 2 multi-position players.I think trading wouldn't be needed if we did this.It does lead to arguments and collusion in my other leagues.
Also Invaders forgot to say that the match period or weekly pick-ups would be limited to one player so as to expedite the process....
E Team says:
Mark, do teams at the bottom of the standings have the first shot at free agents anytime the waiver pool is activated?
I think that anytime someone wants to make a acquisition, that team must announce a cut and then wait until teams lower in the standings either take their shot or decline to participate, just like the supplemental draft.
And don't we need to limit the number of moves a team can make? Somebody has to administer this thing, and which of us has the time to be keeping track of people who want to geek out and be making moves every match?
Maybe we should allow teams one move every ten matches and eliminate the supplementals. It doesn't sound like much, but remember, every time somebody goes to the well, everybody gets to drink. You could be talking about eight moves per team per ten matches.
As far as the multiple position designation thing, I've got so many alarms going off I can't count them.
How long is the argument about which players qualify going to last?
It seems to me that very few of the upper-tier players in the league would be eligible, meaning there's no way eight guys could each have a Top 16 player who can go two-way. So one guy gets, say, Bosh as a 4/5 and somebody else ends up, what, Trevor Ariza as a 2/3? Who gets the short end of that stick?
I just think it adds another unnecessary layer of complexity without accomplishing much. The truth is, under our current system, for every guy we designate as a shooting guard who could arguably be a small, there's another case where the reverse is true.
Dumbing down positions in just that. Heck, by the same logic, we could just draft frontcourt players and backcourt players and play three of one and two of the other. I didn't think the goal of this thing was to see how little thinking or decision making we could do.
One argument I've heard for both the open waiver wire and the multiple position designations is the avoidance of the DNP, but the truth is that the DNP is part of the game and always will be unless you create some sort of insurance against it, like using the score of another designated player. We've discussed that, but again, it's a device that would require more administrative work that anybody wants to do.
And as far as active owners... Jeez, this has always been an issue and always will be as long as the participants in the league are human beings. I don't know what can be done beyond making the best decisions we can about the quality of guys coming in and their seeming level of interest.
Gregg and Terry are both guys who know enough about the NBA to field competitive teams and I'd invite them back in a minute if they offered up some kind of assurance that this season has been a fluke. Why they would consent to participate and then almost immediately cease managing their squads consistently is beyond me. And Stacy? I can't explain Stacy.
I consider myself a pretty good judge of character with respect to who should qualify to join us, and the league is set up now to provide incentives to teams throughout the season: MHS money, NIT tourney, drink tab. If anyone's got better ideas, I'm all ears.
I like this conversation. Guys shouldn't be talking smack about this league and then not showing up here. Keep it up, people.
The Invaders say yes inverse order of standings would stay for free agent picks-I don't think Bosh example is a good one because we all agree Bargnani is the 5 there.With coming trades and free agency though Bosh and Stoudemire could easily be 5's on new teams next year.The point is the flexibility to adapt to new situations each season.I think there are a number of players who aren't top 16 but are top 50-70 who could qualify as multi-position.This is why I propose limiting number of multi-position guys per team to 2.We essentially have a multi-position guy anyway in the 6th man-If you think it's too argumentative to have the multi-position designations then perhaps expanding each match roster to 7 would solve the problem.Another point Eric makes is who would keep track-I won't know my situation until next season and neither probably will anybody else but w/incentive of no entry fee Tom or someone is bound to be interested.Limiting the picks to every 10 matches is what we've got already-I think we could handle every week if not each match period.I've been geeking out and so has Dave for a long time doing this stuff.Why limit the players moves beyond one per week?You should see the moves we make in baseball!!.
E Team says;:
Mark, with all due respect, about the last thing I want to do is see how many moves you and Dave are capable of making in baseball. Trust me, that would probably make me more averse to expanded free agency than ever.
Whats the point to this post? Eric is just going to tear everything down and try to reassure all of us on how right he is? Mark makes very valide points.
Weekly freeagent periods, like in football, are great. But should only be on one day for a "draft order" But then should be open for a day or two after to anyone, then lock rosters after. Ex. Tues-Waiver period, Wed. and Thur. open free agent period. Lock rosters on Fri.
Multi Possitions would work. Less possition argueing on draft day. Guy plays a 2/3 then fine. he can play either. If you donr have guys that can play multi possitions, then tuff shit. This will really help on DNP and lessin the need for trades and limit the Supp draft nessesity. Obviously your not droppin LeBron to the Point or the 4. Player can only play on his draft day recognitions.
Hate to say this but trades are a way of life and will always be a part of contempt with E. Simple, majority vote on every trade. The shit ones wont get through. If the NBA could have voted on trades, Pau Gassol for Arron McKey would have never happened.
Basiclly, quit fearing change. If it dont work we can always change it back. Better then bitching about it for 15 years.
Wow! Who wrote that last post???
I haven't even chimed in yet.
valide
Possitions
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Gassol for Arron
Basiclly,
Ticket (bounced from Olympic hustler roster) says I maybe picking up bar tabs, but I can spell better than X Man. "Someone like Tom" administer a league without scorekeepers? You want to make a roster move? You post at least the score of your matches. Skip a post, you miss your next attempt to pick. So Stacy doesn't post his score for 20 matches, he can't make a change. Then "Someone like Tom" can just follow the rosters.
You guys don't get the time consumption part of the problem, even though Eric makes a brief note of it. It and losing will drain anyone in charge.
Subbing for a DNP automatically poses problems, but I like it better than burdening the commish more with weekly roster moves for Israelis, Italians and Iranians. (How worldly) If its a double position guy in your lineup who squats like my Melo, and my second lay-about bitch Gay is active, the best score not used from the rest of the roster makes more sense to me than the worst, which may have actually been tried in the past DNP fixes. Likewise for position backups, best not worst score.
The multi position and the daily transaction sheet have two insurmountable problems. Guys tuning out of supplemental drafts are even more guilty of collusion than traders. Also, if a 3 point shooter doesn't do anything else, does he move to the frontcourt on depleted teams mid season where he's supposed to outrebound smaller guards, aka Marvin "Trade me not Outlaw" Webster? Frye's a 4-5? Or a male impersonater? The multi-designation makes me puke.
E Team says:
Tom, I think that was Stacy's spelling you were referring to. Dave's way better than that.
Two Cents...I am going to attempt to express my opinions as I read the proposals and responses listed above.
First of all I would like to say "thanks Mr. Commissioner for allowing me this time".
Multiple Position designation
Multiple positon designations is a key to league improvement. Contrary to some of the comments I've read, there would be NO arguments regarding position designation. We should simply use the pre draft position designations listed by ESPN, Yahoo, CBS or Roto Sports. This list wont change during the season. Don't think of it as an over reliance on technology but rather an independent arbitrator.
The idea that we have used for so long that players only play one position is ridiculous. Every year teams make logical arguments for different positions.
Roster size. This should allow us to reduce roster size to 12 players thus opening up broadening the free agent pool. Ideally teams off to poor starts or injury laden won't feel so destined for doom if there is potential to correct poor drafting decisions or unfortunate luck with health. Again "ideally" promoting more active participation.
Free agent period. This isn't dumbing down positions but more giving a truer account of reality (for fantasy purposes of course :))
In order to participate in the once weekly (1 player) free agent signing day. You need first declare your waived player on Friday by 4 same deadline as rosters. Free agent signing would be Sunday at a designated time. I think E provided the perfect format for this. Sunday 11, 11:05, 11:10...If you are first on the clock and you want to make your pick Saturday than great. The next team on the clock. If you miss your slotted time you will have until Monday at 4 to select a player from the remaining pool. If you fail to do so you will reclaim your waived player. I don't think there should be a limit to acquisitions. I'm not sure that it requires anymore or less effort on the commissioners part.
DNP
This maybe the single biggest problem to me and I cant figure out a decent solution that doesn't require a ridiculous amount a bookkeeping or the league head getting involved with another teams management. The problem with DNP's are that they have about a 95% fatality rate. Of course a number of them are self inflicted but former owners of M. Okur and B. Davis will argue that a lot of them are not. I agree with Mark, add a 7th starter. It may not be perfect but at least you may have a chance if someone pulls up lame after shoot around.
Follow up notes.
I agree with Tom. You want to make roster moves than post your scores and lineups.
I agree with Stace. If it doesn't work, we can always change it back.
I agree with E. Active owners have always been a problem. But starting in week 1 ??? Most guys wait until they fall out of the running.
I would be happy to work with E in finding or recruiting teams interested in active participation IF I thought I had a product I could promote. But as I've stated all along. The bang for your buck in this league is...well let's say its not much bang.
I would be all for raising the league rates and paying the commish's fee. But it's big job and to expect Ticket to attempt to do this from outlaw computers is ridiculous.
Look forward to your feed back.
SHOOTERS...
I just want to add that after the free-agent drafts we open the free-agency for a day. I.E. you missed the draft or need more then one player. Charge for this point, would be exceptable, $5 per trans?
A 7th player only means 2 things. A, a 7th player to go down and now you got 5 on 7. B, or 7 on 6, at best. I dont see how this will help except if the 7th player is inactive unless a DNP. Wait, E, this makes sence. Same as mentioned before with usung the bench incase of a DNP, but simplified. Go strait to the appointed bench player for points. Now if said 7th man is down or more then 1 DNP is recorded, then your SOL, but this will drasticly reduce the DNP fatality rate to sub %50, if not sub %25. With min effort. Much less effort then jumping on a Blogg from the 80's Duggy Housser show, and bitching about lack of Managment and "NEED OF CHANGE"
And Trades? Trades are a soal life blood of any Sports Fantasy or other. Just because E got screwed back in College in the mid 80's in the Finals, in the great Mosses Malone and Dr. J for Fat Lever trade. This doesnt mean trades cant be productive and civalized.
Shooters add...
An early trade deadline like by match 30. would simply cut colussion. That and simply voting "no, you cant trade 3 IR guys for 3 30-40 guys" will always be expected. Like in the NBA, IR players CAN NOT be traded.
It's stupidity to fear that I trade a 35 guy to Dave for a 36 guy that that is somehow not fair. Or if that 35 guy becomes a 40 guy and my 36 guy get IR'ed, that that is not fair. Shit happens its all part of the game. AND ITS HEALTHY! Just as healthy as Billy Poole getting drunk by round 6. It works.
True Stace, the 7th player does add the opportunity for a 5 on 7. But it does greatly increase the chances for a 6 on 7. It also pays dividends to teams like E who drafted well and are deep.
You cant simply designate a 7th player in case of a DNP. That would only lead to leaving in a potential DNP player in hopes of having a much better reserve player getting the start.
I believe I stated that if you are unable to participate at the scheduled time of the free agent signing period that you would have until Mondays roster deadline to make your selection.
Of course I'm in favor of trades. I just don't want to offer to much to fast. Perhaps a one week trading period between match 13 and 15. 3 days where trade proposals can be made and 4 days for the league to vote on it.
I know all of these things seem very radical. I also feel that they strongly encourage participation and activity. Which creates more banter and a more entertaining league.
DBS, where were you for the first 30 matches? Would these changes keep you more active in the league?
Invader take on trades;would there be 2 or 3 for 1 allowed or only 1 for 1?it seems to me the arguments over trades in my other leagues are over 2 and 3 for 1.The limited trade window could be a short period between draft and first game(provided we draft earlier)and a week or so between the halfway point(matches 19-20 and 21).This would emulate the international soccer transfer window( they sell players rather than trade)in which FIFA allows player moves in early season and during xmas/new years schedule break.I don't favor the idea of buying right to get a free agent.I meant for the proposed 7th player to be in lieu of multiple-positions rather than for DNPs.If we stay w/6 then Dave's idea of other services as independent arbiter would work.
Shooter...
Cap's, they always would have. I'm not a bad fantasy player. Infact dominate football year after year. Roster moves are key. I dont always draft well, but well enough to make moves. Trades don't make it the wild west. First find a trade partner and then league votes? Damn near impossible, but gives hope that your never out of it. This league has always been like Nascar on crack! Biggest day of the year first day, then hold on and cross your fingers to the end.
As for where I've been. Looking for work. Getting construction and then Managment work at Spyce. Now getting another bar up and running. Very busy. Not too mention running Fantasy football.
P.S.
If anyone is interested, tomarrow night, our Grand Re-Opening at Spyce is going on. All of you are invited. Get to see my blood sweat and tears. And free drinks from 6-9
Just tell them I sent ya.
Strip club, free booze, on Mardi Gra? Thats beutifull stuff!
Invaders & DBS,
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for unlimited free agency and trades. But until you realize the amount of accounting that goes into running this league or decide to run it your(our) selves we need to curb our proposed changes.
DBS...I never accused you of being a bad fantasy player. I just asked where you've been. Like you I don't always draft well. But this should be a game of half time adjustments. I like you "NASCAR on crack" reference. I agree and thats what I hate about this league.
The reality of trade in my experience is that they rarely if ever happen. But they should be 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 and so on.
Invaders think free agency is more important than trades-no controversy it's just a matter of how often.Multi-position is also a higher priority than trades for me.The accounting matter is important but it seems to me it wouldn't be overwhelming w/once a week free agency if everyone reported their own line-ups and scores each time....
E Team says:
Quick question. Based on Dave's "independent arbitrators," who are the top, say, seven or eight fantasy players in the NBA who would qualify for dual position status?
Just curious.
Eric here's a list from Invaders ESPN league-Durant(2-3)Ellis(1-2)Stoudemire(4-5)Lee(4-5)SJAX(2-3)Iguodala(2-3)Tyreke(1-2)JoshSmith(3-4)Pierce(2-3)Carter(2-3)Curry(1-2)Camby(4-5)these would top dozen....
SHOOTERS...
Dave never accussed you, just have always heard things from many people, throughout the years. I loose interest, so I must suck, ect.
Remember ESPN uses missed shots, 3pts, turnovers, and I think even fouls? Adjustments should be made by individual team basis. No one is going to tell you who's better anyway. E's plan is to keep the Possition pool even and fair. 10 quality centers and 10 quality 4's, ect. This would seem like Anarchy to him, right?
Again less focus on draft and more focus on team managment.
Shooter-Invaders have customized ESPN league-no fouls or turnovers but total 3's and fg pct.are used (by vote of teams)-no one is suggesting we change the basic 5 categories we have. I like those.Both draft and team managment should be equal factors.
I agree 100% on the 5 categories. And again agree with shooters. The draft shouldn't be 90% of the league.
E, how did you feel about the player designations that Mark posted?
A little deeper info for your thoughts
T. Evans PG, SG
S. Jackson SG, SF
L. Aldridge PF, C
D. Lee PF, C
L. Deng SF
L. James SF
E Team says:
What? I can't have LeBron as a power? The guy outweighs J.J. Hickson by 20 pounds.
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